033: Dr. Gurung and Dr. Portaro

 

Tony Pellegrini: Great associates. Good morning, Tony Pellegrini right here with our month-to-month podcast on educating and studying at Southern Utah College. We’re honored at this time to welcome Dr. Shobha Hamal Gurung and Dr. Iliana Portaro, proper? Portaro, I am sorry. We’re and I’ve acquired to watch out when there’s somewhat little bit of an excessive amount of Italian and should use an excessive amount of my fingers may bonk the microphone. We’re tickled to have you ever right here at this time to deal with once more Educating and Studying at Southern Utah College the place Dr. Gurung has acquired an award final 12 months for distinguished college and world engagement and Dr. Portaro as a Distinguished Educator right here at SUU and so if we may take only a second and Ryan began somewhat bit with our with our take a look at, however now it is for actual Shobha would you thoughts taking a second or two and telling us just a bit bit about your self and the way you arrived right here at SUU?

Dr. Shobha Hamal Gurung: To start with, I want to thanks and Ryan for this chance. It is fantastic to be right here with my colleague, expensive colleague, Iliana. So I truly got here to Boston to pursue my graduate coaching examine after which after my doctorate in sociology, I began to show at UConn in retailer. After which after educating there for 5 years, you realize, I used to be on the lookout for small sort of educating establishments after which once I noticed this job, I mentioned “Okay, let me go and see how Cedar Metropolis appears like”. After which I got here right here, after which the minute I landed, I fell in love with the gorgeous panorama. After which once I got here and once I gave educating demonstration, you realize, I actually beloved it right here. The individuals, stunning panorama and you realize, and the individuals who interviewed me. They have been wonderful individuals, my colleagues, sure.

Tony Pellegrini: That was fantastic. I once more really feel that folks right here is, are one in every of our largest belongings. It is actually what makes a educating and studying right here so participating and enjoyable. Iliana will you’re taking a second or two to inform us somewhat about your self and the way you determined to return to SUU?

Dr. Iliana Portaro: Certain. Nicely, I used to be born in Lima and Lima, Peru, and grew up in California in Southern California and went to highschool at UC Santa Barbara and I majored in English and Spanish and minored in Latin American Research. And I had wonderful mentors there which have inspired me to go to grad faculty. I had by no means actually considered that and did not actually assume that was a possible possibility. And so I-I pursue that and attended UC Davis. And I acquired my masters and my PhD in Spanish and if you main within the language or if you get a level in a language, you often do an emphasis. I prefer to get an extra emphasis. So my emphasis is in Latin American literature, and notably Latin American ladies writers, and I arrived at SUU about 2011. I needed to look this up proper earlier than the podcast as a result of I at all times overlook it has been some time and whereas I used to be nonetheless writing my dissertation, so it was a lecturer place. And I believe I at the moment, I wasn’t actually significantly desirous about a everlasting job. I assumed perhaps you realize, I am going to work right here till I end my dissertation. After which I believe search for different jobs. However I believe like Shobha talked about, there’s one thing in regards to the space, the group, the individuals that you simply work with, I felt that made an unlimited influence on me. And so I simply fell in love additionally with the scholars and simply what that the classroom appeared prefer it was very totally different from my graduate expertise and my undergrad expertise. I had by no means been in a classroom with lower than 30 individuals I do not assume. And in order that made an unlimited influence in how I noticed my I suppose my educating profession and typically how I needed to- the sort of setting I needed to be in.

Tony Pellegrini: Thanks a lot. I am so impressed with that anecdote that you simply shared about your friends, saying, Hey, you need to take into consideration graduate faculty. I actually see that in you. The ability that your friends, voices, your friends, attitudes and approaches to you. Generally we do not see it in ourselves, we’ve a tough time seeing even perhaps a few steps earlier than us. However the energy that we’ve to encourage and to encourage others to maneuver ahead or a minimum of give it an opportunity. I believe that is fantastic. So, so happy with that. Shobah let’s begin with you if we may, and particularly with world engagement as a school member right here at SUU, I do know you’ve got promoted a cultural and world understanding. How do you- how do you go about and strategy that right here in rural southern Utah?

Dr. Shobha Hamal Gurung: Proper Goshen, thanks for that. So in my educating, I combine modern pedagogies that embrace multicultural -culturalism world engagement and civic citizenship, and through the years I’ve developed and taught a wide range of programs which have supplied our district perception into world points, cultures and the liberal realities and experiences. Individuals in numerous societies and discourses have included tradition and faith in South Asia. Gender and society and world perspective human trafficking, worldwide ties and civic citizenship, world well-liked tradition and world points in sociology and parsimony examine. So by educating a variety of programs that span cultural and world variety, have fostered intercultural data to realize energy, a broader understanding of the globalized world that we dwell in. And my programs embrace the tales and lived experiences of numerous cultural and marginalized communities, which helped us to develop empathy with individuals from a variety of life experiences and situations and discourses have additionally helped my thread to know the complexities and contradictions and ramification of race, ethnicity, social class, gender, sexuality, nationality, and citizenship identities inside and throughout world boundary. And through the years, I’ve additionally supplied my college students with alternative to work together with different outstanding educators and students with vital nationwide and worldwide reputations resembling Dr. Dorothy Smith, who says she she simply handed so she was thought-about like one of many star in gender and sociology and Dr. Mary Romero, Dr. Banana Pooraka as Dr. Margaret Abraham and Dr. Claude Herrick, star Dr. Tony Pellegrini. And Dr. Daniel Dubinsky, Dr. Jordan Davis The listing goes on. So my strengths I attempted to convey students from totally different cultural backgrounds and the professional to my strengths usually are not one close to listening from me or studying from me, however additionally they you realize, get this chance to listen to from different specialists. So,yeah.

Tony Pellegrini: Great, sort of is that somewhat little bit of a observe up? How do you ways do you are feeling how are the responses of your college students been to that nice breath of variety that you simply do convey into the into the classroom.

Dr. Shobha Hamal Gurung: They simply find it irresistible.

Tony Pellegrini: Great. That is so participating for his or her futures as effectively to have the ability to handle these points within the futures and their futures. Nicely, thanks a lot, Ililiana. As you’re employed along with your your learner’s in Spanish. Might you’re taking a second or two perhaps and speak to us about the way you assess their studying how you’re able to- your consciousness of are they actually getting it? Are they’re they making these connections that you simply’re making an attempt to have interaction them with than your lecture rooms?

Dr. Iliana Portaro: Yeah, that is a really advanced query. And first, I’ve to say I am completely impressed by Shobah and so I simply took all the pieces she mentioned in as a result of she’s been sort of very influential throughout my time right here at SUU. So, I actually get pleasure from that. Assessing for languages is advanced and it varies by class and by degree and by cohort by group and so I believe one of many first issues we’re taught is learn how to be very in tune with the room on a day after day foundation and adaptability. So evaluation, oftentimes for the decrease division courses, for instance, which is these are college students which might be true novices, or perhaps intermediate college students, appears like small day by day evaluation, and day by day test ins. So the evaluation just isn’t left. The massive evaluation I suppose it isn’t left till the very finish, however all through a module or all through a Chapter, you test in day by day, and the actions are very scaffolded. So we begin with the simplest actions first and as they grasp these or as you see progress with these, then we will, you realize, transfer on to the tougher actions. And, and if they are not greedy the fabric, then it makes transferring, transferring on somewhat difficult and so that gives you with loads of suggestions repeatedly, after which the examination, you realize, the massive examination does not actually matter as a lot you sort of know kind of what the scholars can do, but it surely’s you realize, form of permits room for somewhat bit extra flexibility. So my language exams, for instance, will include a mixture of recordings of so I can assess their audio or their proficient- their oral proficiency. It might probably include listening actions, studying, writing, tradition, and so it provides you a wide range of evaluation, but additionally of various benchmarks that you could search for. So that may be for the decrease division for the higher division. You are on the lookout for proficiency. So that you additionally need to see progress in how college students talk and vocabulary, grammar and accuracy however you then’re additionally on the lookout for extra advanced pondering. Among the hardest issues for college kids to do in one other language is to precise summary ideas, to investigate literature or movie or simply issues that require extra, simply extra advanced language expertise. And people can take years to sort of grasp. So within the higher division we’re doing two issues we’re nonetheless engaged on language proficiency, but additionally educating them learn how to purchase important pondering expertise, analytical expertise and intercultural data. And so, it actually relies upon.

Tony Pellegrini: As a result of I you realize, I actually beloved the angle that you simply recognized notably along with your starting learners, that it is a day after day course of. This isn’t one thing that they will simply present up in school for 2 or three weeks and, and never have that reference to you as a result of hey, I must know the way you are doing and the way you are progressing and the way you are rising. That sort of virtually like taking their linguistic pulse of-on that day after day foundation. After which to along with your superior learners are simply so happy with that understanding and course that you simply present them to have the ability to join with a few of the deeper ideas and, and have the ability to categorical them, have interaction them with these so highly effective, so profound, and once more, these are nice examples of what educating and studying at SUU wants and a few of these why we’re right here at this time. I’ve to say thanks as effectively to for recognizing Shobah’s interplay along with her learners. That is why I actually love doing these podcasts as a result of sure, it is simply the 2 or three of us at this time, proper right here on this room. However as others hear, they get to have interaction as effectively too, with these practices and simply so appreciative of your time and efforts. Thanks so very a lot. Shobah, with sociology, we cope with human beings, you-we all cope with human beings however you particularly cope with human beings and the idea of empathy of that human emotion of with the ability to be delicate to what your learners really feel, and their feelings. We’re human beings. Now we have feelings. How have you ever fostered that empathy along with your learners and with people who you invite to take part in your programs with you?

Dr. Shobha Hamal Gurung: Once more, I attempted to incorporate the [unintelligible] realities and numerous experiences of individuals from totally different cultural communities, notably marginalized communities, after which my college students by way of readings and thru movies and thru you realize, the narrative, you realize, evaluation and in addition by way of totally different types of communication resembling studying and writing, proper? They do, you realize, perceive the best way through which their, these communities you realize, way of life are literally formed or affected by bigger social cultural construction, the establishment, the social establishments, the political establishments, the financial establishments, and the globalization. After which, so I believe that and in addition together with the sorts of audio system that I convey from varied you realize, that is someday I’ve this speaker attending from Nepal. So, we’re educating right here at 11am and is 12pm in Nepal. So, the however the audio system are form of very instrumental, instrumental in sharing their tales and, for instance, we have been speaking about, after a brief documentary, which options the, the earthquake in Nepal, proper in 2015. And so what occurred within the Everest space after which what occurred to individuals within the Kathmandu Valley. After which there’s additionally a lot deal with the Sherpa communities there. And we’ve an odd 12 months. I believe she was right here 4 or 5 years in the past. She was right here only for one 12 months. She truly, you realize, climbed Mount Everest when she was 16 years outdated, along with her dad, so she’s within the Guinness Guide. So she made that, you realize, historical past and, you realize, she got here to my class and he or she spoke. So, having that sort of, you realize, form of, you realize, bringing the true, you realize, lived experiences with what my college students are studying, you realize, simply that sort of educating pedagogy. Crucial to me. It is like, Uh huh. And likewise giving college students fingers on experiences like I do numerous service primarily based, you realize, mission. I work with the area people that I my pupil, I ought to say, my college students, I simply must create project. And my college students have labored with the cannin-, you realize, candidate companies, the blissful manufacturing unit in Burgoyne assisted dwelling and you realize, a youngsters’s Justice Heart and the idea you realize, race, class, gender these are very in a method not so enjoyable, you realize, points to speak proper racism, classism, sexism, who like to speak this, proper?. However when my college students once they do service tasks, they’re able to see that how this issue you realize, have an effect on or have an effect on the communities.

Tony Pellegrini: I am so appreciative of your imaginative and prescient of, you realize, incorporating learners throughout the globe, your individuals from Nepal who’ve lived by way of and skilled earthquakes, and pondering how may college students right here in Cedar join with those that effectively, we could not have earthquakes, we could not have Mount Everest subsequent to us. However a few years in the past, our learners suffered out in Enoch with the rains and the floods. The same I imply, irrespective of how totally different a few of these experiences are to search out these commonalities in being a human being a human being and the way we cope with trauma and addressing the challenges that come to us are crucial and consequential to the training that our learners have and I’m grateful that you simply’re capable of join with that. That is fantastic.

Dr. Shobha Hamal Gurung: Completely. to disturb your capability miss. Is true, I taught round faith in South Asia after which we’re trying into Saudi, Denise’s States and all through the semester, there have been so many floods and pure disasters in Pakistan and Bangladesh and in Nepal. So that is our very braveness. After which if equally, I used to be supplied a world analysis in sociologies and after which we have been speaking with the FIFA World Cup 2022 which introduced all these you realize, individuals across the globe collectively, after which we’re additionally trying into varied sociological points, world points, just like the migration, the human rights points, the may, you realize, the struggling and the disaster of migration, you realize, my labor proper?. And likewise, you realize, the LGBTQA points, you realize, how individuals have been truly you realize, introduced all these points collectively. And yesterday I used to be this you realize, watching the information after which I’ve some pupil and you realize, writing again to me, like, you realize, and I’ve given my pupil project like, you realize, discover FIFA World Cup in sociological method and you realize, they have been form of and yesterday once they noticed all this, you realize, cheering and all these celebrations and noticed that how few individuals have all these, you realize, individuals collectively so individuals is symbolizes, you realize, world kindness in sport, proper? However we additionally talked about different sociological and world points, once more, the human rights violations and the migrant labor, you realize, disaster and all of that. That additionally, that was additionally a part of FIFA.

Tony Pellegrini: It completely is and sport can can convey us collectively but it surely brings these different points that may’t be addressed as effectively. I admire that. Thanks so very a lot. Iliana. You and I need to return to for a second in regards to the day by day actions that you simply do along with your novice learners particularly, test their, their, you realize, how they’re getting it and making it occur. Definitely, you will have some college students who wrestle just a bit bit. How do you as a trainer right here at SUU, how do you will have a plan B, C, or D? If, if I am actually not getting it? What do you go to or what do you what are a few of the issues that you simply go to to, to to get them perhaps in a unique strategy or a unique solution to make studying occur, and perceive.

Dr. Iliana Portaro: That has gotten simpler with time. That was actually arduous, I keep in mind my first couple years of educating as a result of, you realize, write out lesson plans and I’d attempt to like observe the lesson plan. After which I simply removed that and issues grew to become extra natural. One of many issues that helps quite a bit is that particularly within the language courses, within the decrease division there are usually very small. And so I will stroll round and take part with totally different college students, however I can generally give extra consideration to someone who’s struggling somewhat bit with an exercise or an idea and provides them that one on one consideration that generally makes a distinction, generally 5 minutes of simply eye consideration with the coed. They may simply go Oh, I get it at times they will transfer ahead. After which it simply varies generally. It is the it is the group dynamic or college students do loads of companion and group work. Generally perhaps that is not working, so perhaps make a swap. Generally it is having conversations with the scholars about, you realize, what is going on on outdoors of the classroom. And primarily the place to begin could be as a result of we’ve a flipped classroom in languages through which college students do the homework in preparation for what they’re gonna see in school that day. So if someone hasn’t finished the homework, someone hasn’t ready, then that class is gonna be quite a bit, quite a bit tougher than it needs to be. And so discovering, discovering out that info makes a distinction. After which realizing additionally that some college students will not Oh, it isn’t about perfection. So some college students there might be a day the place they cannot do the homework or one thing occurs or they are not as ready as they want. And so having backup actions or letting them know okay, effectively tomorrow, we’ll do that once more after which you possibly can come ready and you realize, have that chance to observe. However in languages actually, it’s form of the day by day observe. And it isn’t essentially about exhibiting up and being excellent, but it surely’s about simply the the day after day that you simply put into it. And so even a pupil that perhaps did not accomplish that effectively at this time, does not should really feel like tomorrow goes to look the identical. They will, you realize, make make modifications or come to class in a unique in a unique advert with a unique angle or otherwise. And perhaps really feel completed and so it is what I inform college students it is it is virtually like what you set into it day by day, and you then’ll begin progressively seeing the progress and I believe since they will see it themselves, they will hear it, they are often good. They they actually really feel a way of accomplishment all through. However like particularly on the finish of the semester. The listing of issues that they will do with the language is astonishing,

Tony Pellegrini: Thrilling. Let me ask you to cook dinner just a bit deeper and ask your impressions on a few a few conditions or eventualities. You speak to us about your impressions of the significance of that proximity of getting shut, you realize, getting bodily near your college students. You’d talked about strolling across the classroom and being bodily shut. Do you see that bodily proximity being a profit on your learners or speak to us somewhat about just a bit bit deeper about how that helps you or helps them if it does.

Dr. Iliana Portaro: Nicely, two years in the past, I’d have mentioned completely. However I have been educating remotely since. So I grew to become a rapidly adapter of all of the applied sciences accessible that may improve studying and language studying particularly as a result of my complete coaching, pre COVID was in particular person and simply the advantages of chatting with individuals nose to nose and near them, the hand gestures, the physique language and all of that. And and that then rapidly went away after which needed to adapt. And I must say that I I form of I did not dwell on what had been. I simply moved ahead and tried to make use of Zoom To the most effective of my talents just isn’t excellent. However I’m able to use sure whether or not it is the chat or whether or not it is bringing college students again into the room in the event that they’re in breakout rooms or perhaps having conversations with them one on one, I suppose simply being current and accessible. With expertise. Educating remotely, has helped tremendously so college students know that I am constantly dependable, however I am simply I am very current and to allow them to attain out and we will go over any of their questions and I believe that has made a distinction. So the category regardless that it isn’t on-line, it is distant. I nonetheless meet with them day by day, but it surely does not really feel as I suppose as disconnected as it could if we did not have that connection.

Tony Pellegrini: That connection that being there being accessible for them, I believe is so, so highly effective and so profound for you to have the ability to make these engagements and people connections. Shobha however are you able to speak to us for a second or two about the place you see your future? What are a few of the issues on the horizon you see with reference to worldwide context and let’s get some college students excited in regards to the spring and even subsequent fall, what are a few of your visions for the long run?

Dr. Shobha Hamal Gurung: Let me simply provide you with some instance what I’ve finished with my colleagues previously and that about future. So actively, you realize, work with my colleague campus group in skilled organizations to arrange occasions, to, you realize, convey audio system that might be very helpful to our campus group, notably college students. Really Iliana was my co coordinator after we did [Unintelligible] college students occasion 2016-17 Proper when when introduced Mary Romero after which in 2012, we did a giant worldwide convention right here at SUU on human trafficking and we introduced Anuradha Koirala, who is taken into account the Mom Teresa of South Asia proper now. And she or he was the as you realize, CNN hero after 2010 We have been capable of convey her right here in 2012 after which doing so we have interaction our college students in numerous you realize, you realize, elements of the the convention, the scholars have been presenting college students have been, you realize, you realize, interacting with the, you realize, audio system and so they have been additionally, you realize, internet hosting dinners. That occurred and once more in 2013 with my colleague together with my colleague, you realize, we introduced have been capable of introduced Pushpa Basnet who had additionally put in a CNN hero of 2012 however she additionally after [unintelligible] years you realize, CNN did like, CNN needed to pick out tremendous CNN, the tremendous CNN hero of the 12 months. And Pushpa Basnet was the tremendous CNN Hero. She was CNN Hero and tremendous CNN hero. And listed below are capable of you realize, truly being right here at SUU and he or she interacted with our college students. She even went to the blissful manufacturing unit as a result of we after we went to Nepal, I took a stream to Nepal in 2013. We took you realize, many you realize toys from blissful manufacturing unit and we distributed to all the kids who’re, you realize, dwelling along with her and in order that was then after which. Then after earthquake, you realize, a few of my college students truly, they went again to Nepal, and so they have been serving to the the, the needy communities there and one is doing to truly sponsor financially sponsor one boy whose mom died that earthquake. So, you see that connections are nonetheless there. , we initiated I initiated in 2012 or 13. However even after 2015. , college students have been you realize, truly, they have been truly, we’re capable of proceed with these, you realize, communities proper, and what’s occurring, we’re planning the ladies [unintelligible] occasion after which I am additionally engaged on some mission again in Nepal. I am truly I used to be requested to develop some, you realize, a program not just for college students but additionally for college for Kathmandu College, which is a premier, you realize, universities within the capital metropolis. So and I do have some, you realize, sort of invites to convey the coed to a few of the group, you realize, in Kathmandu, and I am additionally working with the political hospital. So the native hospital truly could be very a lot group oriented hospital to our college students from rural blissful college students, students, have been capable of go and do some service mission to Kathmandu, to native hospitals. So I believe it is a begin. I’m simply engaged on these and I’ve additionally my present analysis is in regards to the Bhutanese refugees of Nepali origin, who dwell in Salt Lake and Seattle. So I am taking a look at their journey to America after which I am doing a comparative sort of evaluation. And my college students are additionally a part of it I’ve, oh, I’ve one pupil assist me, you realize, translate and transcribe the opposite, you realize, file interviews and previously my energy you realize, one in every of my strengths was truly doing the indexing. So I at any time when there is a chance, I attempt to have interaction my energy in my scholarly actions additionally.

Tony Pellegrini: Thanks a lot. I used to be impressed to Iliana with [unintelligible] reference to you over time and thru these totally different tasks, tasks. Are you able to give us some actual examples, perhaps additional examples of the way you have interaction along with your division or faculty friends, and to debate educating and studying and the way that how that nurtures and helps your instruction.

Dr. Iliana Portaro: However I believe one thing to say is in the beginning I discussed that, you realize, we’re making an attempt to show languages but additionally content material areas. And so I believe once I got here in to SUU, Shobha was one of many first individuals I met outdoors of my division, and we related over or curiosity in ladies and gender research, and in order that in some respects was essential for me to develop a group outdoors of my division. My division’s very vibrant and inside Spanish, the college meets repeatedly. We meet virtually on a month-to-month foundation to debate curriculum and pedagogy and typically, simply the this system itself. So in some methods, we hold that that connection and people discussions alive by simply repeatedly discussing them, they are not at all times enjoyable. , a few of this can be a lot of labor, but it surely’s essential to have them and essential to form of at all times ask what the scholars want and what we’re doing, you realize, we’re doing issues Okay, or if we may do them higher and to self assess outdoors of the division. I will be beginning a brand new place subsequent semester as the brand new chair of Interdisciplinary Research. And in order that sort of combines loads of my curiosity by way of language but additionally my connections outdoors of my faculty and outdoors of my division, and inside HSS I believe Interdisciplinary Research is a really vibrant group. During which loads of college are serious about and so actually thrilling to have a brand new division or creating a brand new division. And so, yeah, that that I believe will take up loads of my time subsequent semester and that’s one thing I’ve to stay up for.

Tony Pellegrini: It is thrilling. It is thrilling. And that is that is why I really like having these conversations. It simply results in the fantastic issues which might be happening right here. However we do must wrap up our dialog at this time simply want to have you ever take only a second or two every of you to we’ve loads of new college this 12 months. I believe we’re gonna have loads of new college subsequent 12 months we’re crossing our fingers as effectively we want some extra assist. What could be some remaining phrases of recommendation or knowledge that you might have to have the ability to new college to assist them slot in and and interact with their learners, their friends and within the college present, however can we begin with who would you be okay with that?

Dr. Shobha Hamal Gurung: Certain. I’d say join with the individuals connect with the coed, study from the coed as effectively and and share your experiences. It is crucial as a result of we study from one another. And it’s possible you’ll assume that it is just our experiences however if you hear from others than okay and you then notice that you’re not the one experiencing that. So sharing could be very, crucial and having dialog is essential. Even having dialog on you realize, difficult points ,troublesome points are very, crucial. Thanks. So and I discovered from my pupil quite a bit

Tony Pellegrini: And that of communication is so important. And it’s a two method avenue. It does go each methods. Thanks a lot. Iliana any phrases of knowledge for brand spanking new friends,

Dr. Iliana Portaro: All the pieces exhibits. Completely. I believe and this took me this. This has been a observe however I believe kindness not simply in direction of your in direction of others however your self. And determining what’s going to convey pleasure to your day after day I believe makes a giant distinction. I believe form of your your psychological well being by simply typically your total effectively being if you step into the classroom is is important. And so the way you feed that the way you develop, the way you preserve that when we’ve these marathon semesters or no matter your you realize, educating interval appears prefer it’s crucial. So for me that has been a relentless observe of discovering pleasure, but additionally discovering methods to observe self care observe methods that may make me a greater particular person within the classroom as a result of if I am not functioning, then I am not going to be functioning within the classroom.

Tony Pellegrini:Thanks so very a lot. I admire each of you. I am grateful for being your buddy, being your skilled affiliate please. Shobha yet one more factor you need to share. Please

Dr. Shobha Hamal Gurung: I simply need to add one thing on what she was sharing. Iliana was sharing on the mindfulness kindness compassion for that very crucial. Simply remind the final day of sophistication, you realize, I began enjoying [unintelligible] you realize, chanting track for my college students to calm them right down to calm them, proper. After which after which the nice factor is there was a script, they may learn it and it’s after which after that I requested them what it meant for them to hearken to a you realize, the Buddhist monk who’s very well-known internationally and I did that and so they beloved it. They beloved it simply that I do incorporate the even once I was educating Globalization and Sociologies, we do speak about you realize, the entire globalization of meditations, yoga and all of the Japanese primarily based therapeutic. You speak about that. So yeah, after which I ended class with [unintelligible], you realize, chanting with this chanting and simply to make my pupil you realize, misery.

Tony Pellegrini: Lovely. Thanks so very a lot. Thanks for taking time with us at this time. Listeners we admire your listening and your participation and engagement. we would invite you to tune in subsequent month in January each Richard Cozzens and Andrea Frauhm might be visiting with us relating to digital actuality and augmented actuality the grants that they are receiving and offering to instruction to us as college and college students right here at SUU. So present up once more. Thanks, Iliana, thanks so very a lot. And have a fantastic vacation season, each of you and everybody else on the market. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks for having this. Completely happy holidays.